Under "Postmaster," doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml currently shows Jonathan's name & address address as well as mine. There are a couple of issues; the first is that Jonathan has effectively retired from postmaster@FreeBSD.org, effective January 2003. (However, "jmb" still shows up in the expansion for the "postmaster" alias on hub.) That, however, is not the focus of this PR. I mention it in passing, and am Cc:ing Jonathan, in case he wants to pipe up. The focus is that while the names may be useful, the given addresses are somewhat less so, and may be misleading: mx1.freebsd.org is (and has been) set up to treat mail to postmaster@ as "special" -- there are several circumstances such that if someone tries to send mail to jmb@freebsd.org or dhw@freebsd.org, the attempt will fail, while an otherwise equivalent attempt to send mail to postmaster@freebsd.org will succeed. This is by design and intent, per RFC 2821, section 4.5.1. Further, the mail that is addressed to postmaster@freebsd.org that gets to me does so via the address "freebsd-pm@catwhisker.org" -- in my MTA rules and filters on mx.catwhisker.org, I make an effort to accept mail addressed to freebsd-pm@ just as I do for postmaster@ -- and those rules are a lot less strict than those I have for non-postmaster aliases. Thus, with the situation as it now is, someone having trouble sending mail to one of the FreeBSD.org mailing lists might be inclined to send mail to dhw@ and jmb@ (individually -- as happened today), and be just as unable to send mail to those addresses as to the mailing list. So the person then ends up sending mail from some other address that does not exhibit the problem, finding some other way to contact us, or giving up. I believe that changing the given email address(es) to just "postmaster@FreeBSD.org" would better serve folks in need of contacting Postmaster and suggest that the docs be changed to reflect that. Fix: Sorry; I don't have the docbook-fu for this. :-( How-To-Repeat: n/a
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:32:29AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > > >Number: 71529 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: (Strongly!) suggested change to listed address for postmaster@ > >Originator: David Wolfskill > >Description: > Under "Postmaster," doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml > currently shows Jonathan's name & address address as well as mine. [snip] > I believe that changing the given email address(es) to just > "postmaster@FreeBSD.org" would better serve folks in need of contacting > Postmaster and suggest that the docs be changed to reflect that. What do you think about the following three patches? You can see them and the resulting versions of the Contributors article at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/ First patch: add 'reachable via' at the end: Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.433 diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 08:35:53 -0000 @@ -510,8 +510,10 @@ <term>Postmaster</term> <listitem> - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> - <para>&a.jmb;</para> + <para>David Wolfskill,</para> + <para>Jonathan M. Bresler</para> + <para>Both are reachable via the + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email> address.</para> </listitem> </varlistentry> ---------------- Second patch: add a 'Postmaster team' prologue: Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.433 diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 08:38:15 -0000 @@ -510,8 +510,10 @@ <term>Postmaster</term> <listitem> - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> - <para>&a.jmb;</para> + <para>FreeBSD.org Postmaster team + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email>, which includes:</para> + <para>David Wolfskill,</para> + <para>Jonathan M. Bresler</para> </listitem> </varlistentry> -------------- Third patch: remove jmb@, add 'reachable via': Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.433 diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 08:39:39 -0000 @@ -510,8 +510,8 @@ <term>Postmaster</term> <listitem> - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> - <para>&a.jmb;</para> + <para>David Wolfskill, reachable via the + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email> address.</para> </listitem> </varlistentry> Any other suggestions on wording this are welcome :) G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If you think this sentence is confusing, then change one pig.
Actually, I would recommend removing my name, Jonathan Bresler, from the documentation regarding postmaster. David has been fulfilling that role very well for a significant period of time. I have left myself in the /etc/aliases file, as a backup should David have questions or be unavailable for some reason. At this point perhaps that is no longer needed as well. jmb On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:32:29AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > > > > >Number: 71529 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: (Strongly!) suggested change to listed address for postmaster@ > > >Originator: David Wolfskill > > >Description: > > Under "Postmaster," doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml > > currently shows Jonathan's name & address address as well as mine. > [snip] > > I believe that changing the given email address(es) to just > > "postmaster@FreeBSD.org" would better serve folks in need of contacting > > Postmaster and suggest that the docs be changed to reflect that. > > What do you think about the following three patches? You can see them > and the resulting versions of the Contributors article at > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/ > > First patch: add 'reachable via' at the end: > > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.433 > diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 > +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 08:35:53 -0000 > @@ -510,8 +510,10 @@ > <term>Postmaster</term> > > <listitem> > - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> > - <para>&a.jmb;</para> > + <para>David Wolfskill,</para> > + <para>Jonathan M. Bresler</para> > + <para>Both are reachable via the > + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email> address.</para> > </listitem> > </varlistentry> > > ---------------- > > Second patch: add a 'Postmaster team' prologue: > > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.433 > diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 > +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 08:38:15 -0000 > @@ -510,8 +510,10 @@ > <term>Postmaster</term> > > <listitem> > - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> > - <para>&a.jmb;</para> > + <para>FreeBSD.org Postmaster team > + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email>, which includes:</para> > + <para>David Wolfskill,</para> > + <para>Jonathan M. Bresler</para> > </listitem> > </varlistentry> > > -------------- > > Third patch: remove jmb@, add 'reachable via': > > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.433 > diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 > +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 08:39:39 -0000 > @@ -510,8 +510,8 @@ > <term>Postmaster</term> > > <listitem> > - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> > - <para>&a.jmb;</para> > + <para>David Wolfskill, reachable via the > + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email> address.</para> > </listitem> > </varlistentry> > > Any other suggestions on wording this are welcome :) > > G'luck, > Peter > > -- > Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org > PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc > Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 > If you think this sentence is confusing, then change one pig. > >
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:00:44 +0300 >From: Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> >To: David Wolfskill <david@catwhisker.org> >Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: docs/71529: (Strongly!) suggested change to listed address for postmaster@ >On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:32:29AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: [PR about postmaster@FreeBSD.org email address documentation] >What do you think about the following three patches? You can see them >and the resulting versions of the Contributors article at >http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/ My current favorite is the 2nd -- the one with the "Postmaster Team Prologue". It's clear and unambiguous; it's easily changed as the membership of the team changes. In the first patch, I think I'd be slightly more inclined to use "Each is reachable" vs. "Both are reachable" (in case something based on the first patch is finally selected). But then, if jmb decides to not be listed, that makes things awkward: one doesn't write "each" to refer to the only element of a set or member of a team. And "both" only works as long as there are precisely 2 members of the team. The 3rd patch doesn't strike me as being easily adapted to changes in the size of the team. >Any other suggestions on wording this are welcome :) :-) Just recall Victor Borge's line (referring to the English language): "It's *your* language; I'm just trying to *use* it!" >If you think this sentence is confusing, then change one pig. :-) I recall reading that line in one of Hofstadter's columns -- I think it was in his "Metamagical Themas" column in Scientific American (successor column to Martin Gardner's "Mathematical Games". Thanks! Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Evidence of curmudgeonliness: becoming irritated with the usage of the word "speed" in contexts referring to quantification of network performance, as opposed to "bandwidth" or "latency."
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 06:46:35AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:00:44 +0300 > >From: Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> > >To: David Wolfskill <david@catwhisker.org> > >Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org > >Subject: Re: docs/71529: (Strongly!) suggested change to listed address for postmaster@ > > >On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:32:29AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > > [PR about postmaster@FreeBSD.org email address documentation] > > >What do you think about the following three patches? You can see them > >and the resulting versions of the Contributors article at > >http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/ > > My current favorite is the 2nd -- the one with the "Postmaster > Team Prologue". It's clear and unambiguous; it's easily changed as the > membership of the team changes. All right then - so, combined with jmb's reply, this would yield the following patch, added as the fourth patch now at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/ with the result at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/contrib-pm-team-dhw.html#STAFF-WHO Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.433 diff -u -r1.433 article.sgml --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.433 +++ article.sgml 10 Sep 2004 13:55:34 -0000 @@ -510,8 +510,9 @@ <term>Postmaster</term> <listitem> - <para>&a.dhw;,</para> - <para>&a.jmb;</para> + <para>FreeBSD.org Postmaster team + <email>postmaster@FreeBSD.org</email>, which includes:</para> + <para>David Wolfskill</para> </listitem> </varlistentry> > >Any other suggestions on wording this are welcome :) > > :-) Just recall Victor Borge's line (referring to the English > language): "It's *your* language; I'm just trying to *use* it!" Yeah, only it's not mine - or did you mean it the other way round? :) > >If you think this sentence is confusing, then change one pig. > > :-) I recall reading that line in one of Hofstadter's columns -- I > think it was in his "Metamagical Themas" column in Scientific American > (successor column to Martin Gardner's "Mathematical Games". Give the man a cigar! I've been using Hofstadter's sample sentences in email sigs for some time now; the full list that I'm using is available at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/misc/hoflines.txt :) G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If the meanings of 'true' and 'false' were switched, then this sentence wouldn't be false.
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:09:13 +0300 >From: Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> >To: David Wolfskill <david@catwhisker.org> >Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: docs/71529: (Strongly!) suggested change to listed address for postmaster@ >> [PR about postmaster@FreeBSD.org email address documentation] >All right then - so, combined with jmb's reply, this would yield the >following patch, added as the fourth patch now at >http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/ with the result at >http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/pm/contrib-pm-team-dhw.html#STAFF-WHO Yup. >> :-) Just recall Victor Borge's line (referring to the English >> language): "It's *your* language; I'm just trying to *use* it!" >Yeah, only it's not mine - or did you mean it the other way round? :) The latter -- Borge was Danish. :-) >> >If you think this sentence is confusing, then change one pig. >> .... Hofstadter .... >Give the man a cigar! I've been using Hofstadter's sample sentences in >email sigs for some time now; the full list that I'm using is available >at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/misc/hoflines.txt :) I had noticed, but hadn't overcome the inertia enough to get around to commenting. :-} [I actually bought a copy of _Goedel, Escher, Bach: An Eternel Golden Braid_ for a young lady some years ago. And she married me anyway....] Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Evidence of curmudgeonliness: becoming irritated with the usage of the word "speed" in contexts referring to quantification of network performance, as opposed to "bandwidth" or "latency."
State Changed From-To: open->closed
State Changed From-To: closed->analyzed
Responsible Changed From-To: freebsd-doc->roam I'll take care of this.
State Changed From-To: analyzed->closed (for real this time) The fix was committed with a <hostid> tag added on Marc Fonvielle's suggestion. Thanks for the PR, hope this does not make your life too much harder as the hordes can now successfully reach the postmaster alias ;)