Bug 54806

Josef El-Rayes <j.el-rayes@daemon.li> writes:

> --- chapter.sgml.diff begins here ---

I didn't see where the PR mentioned what chapter this is.

> +	<para>FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual 
> +	desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption.

Did you mean to say ", designed to minimize memory consumption."?

But giving window manager designers the benefit of my doubt, I suppose
they can all honestly say they designed that way, so it might be
better to have some weasel words like " which uses less memory than
many other popular window managers."

Thanks for thinking of good old "fvwm".

(I tried using some others but am using it again because it's both
simple enough and powerful enough to easily do what I want it to do.)

Comment 2 Marc Fonvieille 2003-07-24 19:32:19 UTC

On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:14:15PM +0200, Josef El-Rayes wrote:
> >Description:
> 		This adds fvwm2 to x11-wm page. In my opinion this was
> 		definitely missing. When there is some content about gnome,
> 		kde and xfce, there should also be some content about the
> 		'mother of window managers & desktop environments'.
> 		If appreciated i could add some text about blackbox and its
> 		offsprings.
>

This section focus mainly on "desktops environments", but why not
talking about some window managers.  So why FVWM 2 and not TWM,
AfterStep, Window Maker, IceWM, fluxbox etc. ?  FVWM is a great window
manager but I don't think the audience of that section will like FVWM.
Why not adding a link to the http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ page (this
page is guide to all window managers.) and then pointing the reader to
our ports/x11-wm directory?
Tell me what you think about that.

Marc

Marc Fonvieille <blackend@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> This section focus mainly on "desktops environments", but why not
> talking about some window managers.  So why FVWM 2 and not TWM,
> AfterStep, Window Maker, IceWM, fluxbox etc. ?  
When i looked at this section i had the feeling that there was not
enough. It perfectly talks about Gnome and KDE, the big two players, 
but i think it is important, to at least mention the alternatives. 
The reason why i decided to talk about fvwm2 is that it comes very 
near to a desktop environment. 
It has a panel, it manages sessions and multiple desktops. 
And i thought adding fvwm is like saying "hey unix world is
more than gnome & kde". 
ok there is XFce but it is more a gnome without
gnome-libs - like galeon is mozilla without xul (roughly defined).

the next reason was, that greg lehey also mentioned fvwm2 as a kde
alternative in his book, so i thought, ok this is what gurus think :)

> Why not adding a link to the http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ page (this
> page is guide to all window managers.) and then pointing the reader to
> our ports/x11-wm directory?

my patch is intended to be a "food for thought" - i am not happy with
the current version of this chapter. i think my patch is one way to
handle this, -> to add the most popular window managers, fvwm2, blackbox
(with a mentioning of its offsprings), enlightenment and so on. what
about linking some screenshots (this is what quite some people requested
at our freebsd booth at linuxtag - "how does it actually look like").

another way good way is your [marc's] proposal to shorten this up and
link to a patch that covers this topic and just linking it with a short
description.
i think i do not have enough experience on writing for the handbook to
know what fits better into the handbook's style.

in my opinion best solution is a compromise between this to solutions.
to give a short overview of the windowmanagers available in ports, with
their most important characteristics and linking some screenshots and
giving the link to the above mentioned url for further reference.

so to give a short answer, i added fvwm as a start to see, whether it is
appreciated to add other windowmanagers to this section or not.

greets, josef
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"Gary W. Swearingen" <underway@comcast.net> wrote:
>  I didn't see where the PR mentioned what chapter this is.
i have to admit i was a bit sloppy here. for me x11-wm (the name of the
file that generates) was enough. next time i will give more verbose
information on this.

>  > +	<para>FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual 
>  > +	desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption.
>  Did you mean to say ", designed to minimize memory consumption."?
i was not aware of the subtle difference between these two expressions
:) i am more of a technican than a linguist. i will be more careful in
the future.

>  Thanks for thinking of good old "fvwm".
for me it is (as i expressed it in my patch) the 'mother of wm', so it
deserves an entry in the handbook, when we talk about desktops.

greets and thanks for the feedback, 
josef
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Comment 5 josef 2004-01-15 21:24:17 UTC

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The submitter(me) said, this one can be closed