Bug 62060

Summary:	HTML Mailarchive (non mailman interface) hasn't updated since 26.January04
Product:	Documentation	Reporter:	Shaun Jurrens <shaun>
Component:	Books & Articles	Assignee:	dhw
Status:	Closed FIXED
Severity:	Affects Only Me
Priority:	Normal
Version:	Latest
Hardware:	Any
OS:	Any

Description Shaun Jurrens 2004-01-29 11:30:12 UTC

The traditional (old, non-mailman) access to the mailing lists via HTML seems to have chewed itself into oblivion.  First it began spitting out 
old mails then it quit being updated at all.

I wish there was a way to read the mailman archives in the same way the old HTML lists were made. It takes 10 clicks with Mailman to get to the archives. The old system was better there. The mailman interface does provide for more anti-spam anonymity, of course.  So, if someone could simple hack a short cut here, we wouldn't need both systems and it'd be easier to use (for browsing, that is, which is how I stay informed without subscribing)

Sorry about the digression.  Hope to see a solution soon.  Perhaps I can help if it's just some cgi stuff.

Fix: 

See what happened to the daily parsing script... perhaps it's just a disk capacity issue...  no clue, sorry
How-To-Repeat: Simply access the old Mailing List Archives on the www.freebsd.org site and click on 'Browse'  and then the current year link and pick your favorite list.  You'll see they haven't updated in 3 days now except for some garbage on the 26th (old mails)

Comment 1 Rahul Siddharthan 2004-01-29 19:55:36 UTC

The mailman access hasn't updated since Jan 26 either.  I see three
postings on -www complaining about it, and I myself asked on -chat,
but I have not seen any response.  This is important to many people,
and even if it can't be fixed soon, it would be nice if someone 
would speak up to say, at a minimum, "yes we've noticed the problem."

Meanwhile, http://marc.theaimsgroup.com seems to have working archives,
and http://www.mail-archive.com archives some lists too.

Comment 2 Paul Seniura 2004-01-30 15:51:30 UTC

I need to chime-in here, too, please.

The older web interface provides one very important function than all other mail-archive sites I've seen so far:
When a 'commit' message comes through, we can click on the links for each file that has been changed, see the 'diff's for that file, and download them as a .gz file (thus keeping tabs etc. intact).
I don't know of any other mail-archive site that does this.

There have been times when I need such a diff in order to patch something and cannot wait for the CTM deltas (our political firewall won't let us use CVSup, and I need to track -Current for a port I've volunteered to maintain [net/tn3270]).

Being without this web interface is a bad thing: I'm screwed, I'm screwed right now, I've been screwed for most of this week, and I will continue to be screwed until this is fixed.

So please fix ASAP.
Please.


  --  Paul Seniura
      System Specialist
      State of Okla. D.O.T.

Comment 3 Ceri Davies 2004-01-30 16:19:47 UTC

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:00:34AM -0800, Paul Seniura wrote:
>  
>  The older web interface provides one very important function than all other mail-archive sites I've seen so far:
>  When a 'commit' message comes through, we can click on the links for each file that has been changed, see the 'diff's for that file, and download them as a .gz file (thus keeping tabs etc. intact).
>  I don't know of any other mail-archive site that does this.

http://cvsweb.freebsd.org/

Ceri

--

Comment 4 Paul Seniura 2004-01-30 18:37:20 UTC

> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:00:34AM -0800, Paul Seniura wrote:
> > 
> >  The older web interface provides one very important function than all other mail-archive sites I've seen so far:
> >  When a 'commit' message comes through, we can click on the links for each file that has been changed, see the 'diff's for that file, and download them as a .gz file (thus keeping tabs etc. intact).
> >  I don't know of any other mail-archive site that does this.
>
> http://cvsweb.freebsd.org/
>
> Ceri

I know you're trying to help -- but --
That is not a MAIL ARCHIVE SITE!
I know full well about cvsweb.
Are you trying to suggest that I keep multiple browser windows running in order to cross-link 'commit' messages to the cvsweb site?
All by hand??
Where mistakes can happen???
Sometimes -- many times -- a single commit will consist of patches for a slew of files.
Using cvsweb I would need to manually select each level of a path way down finally to reach EACH file I'm needing to see what the diff is -- one-by-one at that.

Just get the regular mail-archive site working PLEASE!
It does what we've been needing and still need.
Look at other lists to see how many people have been complaining that it isn't working properly.
Ya don't know how much something like this is missed until it breaks.

  --  thx, Paul Seniura

Comment 5 Ceri Davies 2004-01-30 18:44:30 UTC

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:40:12AM -0800, Paul Seniura wrote:
>  
>  I know you're trying to help -- but --
>  That is not a MAIL ARCHIVE SITE!
>  I know full well about cvsweb.
>  Are you trying to suggest that I keep multiple browser windows running in order to cross-link 'commit' messages to the cvsweb site?

I'm trying to suggest that you're not as screwed as you might feel.
That's all.

--

Comment 6 Rahul Siddharthan 2004-01-30 20:47:40 UTC

Ceri Davies wrote:
> I'm trying to suggest that you're not as screwed as you might feel.

Why can't you, or someone else, say something about the problem --
what it is, what's being done, how long fixing it may take, or even a
simple acknowledgement that you recognise that a problem exists?  This
total silence, despite multiple questions, only suggests "we don't
care, it's your problem if you depend on the mail archives."  Is that
the message you want to send?  This is not funny.

-- Rahul

Comment 7 Wolfram Schneider freebsd_committer

2004-01-31 16:13:19 UTC

Responsible Changed
From-To: freebsd-www->dhw

forwarded to FreeBSD Postmaster who is responsible for  
the mail archive configuration.

Comment 8 kensmith freebsd_committer

2004-02-04 19:17:46 UTC

State Changed
From-To: open->closed


Python on the mailing list machine has been upgraded to solve a problem 
that was killing the Mailman software. Archiving has been re-enabled but 
it will take quite a while for the backlog to clear.

Comment 9 Shaun Jurrens 2004-02-05 07:57:56 UTC

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:20:03AM -0800, Ken Smith wrote:
#> Synopsis: HTML Mailarchive (non mailman interface) hasn't updated since 26.January04
#> 
#> State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
#> State-Changed-By: kensmith
#> State-Changed-When: Wed Feb 4 11:17:46 PST 2004
#> State-Changed-Why: 
#> 
#> Python on the mailing list machine has been upgraded to solve a problem
#> that was killing the Mailman software. Archiving has been re-enabled but
#> it will take quite a while for the backlog to clear.

	I'm not sure if it's part of working on the backlog or if the parsing
	scripts are having a problem with monthly rotation, but the
	non-mailman archives only display January's mail currently.  

	It would seem some sort of monthly change routine needs to be
	triggered manually.

	I don't know if you want to re-open the PR or not until this is done.
#> 
#> 
#> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=62060

-- 
Yours truly,

Shaun D. Jurrens

Comment 10 Ken Smith 2004-02-06 03:32:28 UTC

On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:57:56AM +0100, Shaun Jurrens wrote:

> 	I'm not sure if it's part of working on the backlog or if the parsing
> 	scripts are having a problem with monthly rotation, but the
> 	non-mailman archives only display January's mail currently.  
> 
> 	It would seem some sort of monthly change routine needs to be
> 	triggered manually.
> 
> 	I don't know if you want to re-open the PR or not until this is done.

It finished processing the backlog some time today, everything should
be back to normal at this point.

-- 
						Ken Smith
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